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13th-Feb-2006 12:10 pm - So, Cheney shot someone...
homer: the scream
No kidding. I'm serious! (Here's the story)Collapse )

I find this both amusing and disturbing. I'm sure that some people will attempt to twist this into political ammunition for legislation and litigation against the Second Amendment.

8th-Feb-2006 01:43 pm(no subject)
New Budget

I usually don't talk about politics, but when I saw this, I had to say a little.

The next budget the President is proposing gives more money to defense and homeland security. I'd say some is great because we may need it, but when is it enough? If we would finally leave well enough alone in Iraq and Afghanistan and bring the troops home we wouldn't have to worry about it so much.

Overall, almost everything within the category known as discretionary nonsecurity spending -- things that don't involve security or entitlement programs, such as Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid --faces cuts or tight constraints.

So they want more money to fight a useless war when our elderly and those who really need help here get left to fend for themselves?

I agree with the spending in Katrina, but the state needs to help, too. I figure, though, the state government is so strapped for cash right now, but it could try. But the state does bail out the Saints quite often. [2] If they can pay for a team that consistently has bad seasons, they surely can pay for rebuilding New Orleans.

Sunday my roommate and I got to talking about how politics are such a messed up thing and how people like us get screwed by it, but that's something we have to deal with.

I know things aren't this simple, but they really shouldn't be so complicated.

[cross-posted to my personal journal]
Has anyone heard of Bo Gritz. Todd Hammond son of Elder F Melvin Hammond and himself a religion teacher at byu idaho like his father has been on the legislature. On his mission he baptized Bo Gritz.

Bo Gritz was in Asia looking for vietnam pows. He had a love for constitution was into government. In the presidential elections there are the major candidates and in every state 5 or 6 candidates trying to make a point no one has heard of.

Bo Gritz was one of them. I remember a particular election year people were pushing him. They gave us a video of him. Told us about the mark of the beast too and said church would not tell us what to do. Like we can't trust the lords annointed so need to trust people like that.

Those were the type of people that didn't pay taxes they felt unfair. Didn't have social security numbers. In some cases home schooled there children because they were afraid of the mark of the beast and other signs of the times.

IF a law they thought was unconstitutional they refused to obey it. Case in point. A constitutionalist refused in Idaho to have liability insurance on his car because he felt it was unconstitutional. Been pulled over before because of that. One time he was 83 years old picked up for speeding and refused to provide proof of insurance cause he felt it was unconstitutional. Went to judge and told judge he had gth insurance. You can translate it go to heck. Was sentenced to jail for 60 days.

Right after it happened a group of people calling themsleves patriots went to the court house called for the arrest of the Idaho state police officer that pulled him over The judge that sentenced him, Several sheriffs, Governor and attorney General. Basically taking law into there own hands. Same people that would go encourage secession of states and the like.

About the time that was happening there were letters from the first presidency saying pay taxes and if you dont like them talk to your legislatures. An ensign article also dallin H Oaks talked about people whose strengths were weaknesses and talked about people that used church doctrine to justify not paying taxes and the like. He said General Authorities file tax returns. We heard our bishop when that was going on people involved were in our ward said obey the laws of the land and East German got a temple that way.

The twelth article of faith and several places in the doctrine and covenants tell us to obey the law and sedition and rebellion are unbecoming of any latter day saints. They think the constitution is already hanging by a thread and its there duty to overthrow the government basically using church doctrine allegedly to support there positions.

However lds people are to obey the law of the land and talk to legislatures and judges to get laws changed not take the law into there own hand.
31st-Oct-2005 03:18 pm - SCOTUS Nomination: Samuel Alito
There's been (and will probably still be) a good deal of discussion with regard to this man's politics. Many conservative groups are heralding him as the kind of Justice they were looking for. Moderates and Liberals, on the other hand, are gearing up for a fight.

I don't know a whole lot about the guy, so I can't really comment, but it worries me whenever James Dobson approves of anything. He's just a little too radical for my moderate tastes.

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts/feelings on the Alito nomination, as well as any information you may have gleaned in your research.
10th-Oct-2005 12:15 am - Republic of Deseret
phantom rose
When the Great Salt Lake valley was originally chosen as a destination for the Saints, it was part of the Republic of Mexico. Mormon Pioneers entered and settled the valley in July of 1947.

Santa Anna was pretty tolerant of the Mormons for two reasons. (1) Because he had too much trouble on his hands with the Republic of Texas getting some expansionist ideas, and Californians (then Mexican citizens) preparing to revolt. He felt that the Mormons were a good buffer. (2) He was pretty certain that the Mormons felt no great friendship for the American government, at the time, because of all of the persecution they had suffered there without receiving any protection.

Mormons served in the US-Mexican war (1846-1848), but it would be some time after the war ended, when the territories, west from Texas west to California, were annexed into the United States.

It nearly came to be that the Mormons founded, like Texas, an independent Republic of Deseret. It would likely have extended beyond the current borders of Utah. But that wasn't to be.

How would things be now, if that had actually happened? For instance, "Theocracy" is almost a dirty-word in this age and political climate, but wouldn't that be an accurate description of Deseret, if it had actually come about?

(x-posted in moculture)
8th-Oct-2005 07:43 am - Eugenics or sound theory?
Tri-Color Kamon
(x-posted to mormon_politics and winter_in_asia.)

myrgthful and inlatterdays both pointed this out to me.

A bill was recently introduced in Indiana regarding "unauthorized reproduction." Although the bill has since been removed, I find the ramifications of the bill a cross between fascinating and disturbing. Basically, the bill would mandate the following:

1. Pregnancy would be considered illegal for unmarried women, whether by intercourse or fertility treatment.
2. If a doctor assists an unmarried woman in becoming pregnant, he is also committing a crime.
3. To legally receive fertility treatments, a woman must file a petition with a local court and be subjected to the same scrutiny as a potential adoptive parent.

While I think parts of the bill are extreme, there are some good ideas there. Thoughts?

Text of a draft of the bill can be found here (PDF File).
You can also find an interesting and very liberal take on the law here.
30th-Sep-2005 03:59 am - Political Meme
You are a

Social Liberal
(73% permissive)

and an...

Economic Liberal
(33% permissive)

You are best described as a:


Link: The Politics Test on Ok Cupid
Also: The OkCupid Dating Persona Test

Odd. Usually I end up being rated more in the center than that. It's interesting to see the difference in questions asked and biases of the answers' ratings by the different quiz memes which try to analyze your political alignment.

23rd-Sep-2005 07:03 pm(no subject)
You are a

Social Liberal
(66% permissive)

and an...

Economic Conservative
(86% permissive)

You are best described as a:


Link: The Politics Test on Ok Cupid
22nd-Sep-2005 11:31 pm - Politics Test
There's an interesting test going around recently from Ok Cupid. Given that it looks at politics, I think it would be interesting for everyone still reading the community to take it.

Post your results in the comments, if you like. I'm curious to know what people think.

Test's here.
10th-Sep-2005 09:54 am - Mitt Romney for president.
Mitt Romney may be able to get the nomination. And if he can win in Mass he can also win the presidency I think. If he is though how would he be able to go to the temple. Would secret service sit outside the temple or would they have to have recommends and do a session with him. What callings would he have. Would he go home teaching or teach sunday school. Secret service would get the lesson too when he goes to church. For lds senators I think security for the most part sits in the parking lot. If he becomes president that is an issue the church and secret service will have to deal with. How to go to the temple. And church as well. They can go to church. Can't go to the temple without a recommend though.
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